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The Guardian, and a number of leftosphere sites (which is where I found it) are bemoaning a recent admission by the feds in front of a federal judge in Oregon.

The Obama administration’s no-fly lists and broader watchlisting system is based on predicting crimes rather than relying on records of demonstrated offenses, the government has been forced to admit in court.

In a little-noticed filing before an Oregon federal judge, the US Justice Department and the FBI conceded that stopping US and other citizens from travelling on airplanes is a matter of “predictive assessments about potential threats”, the government asserted in May.

“By its very nature, identifying individuals who ‘may be a threat to civil aviation or national security’ is a predictive judgment intended to prevent future acts of terrorism in an uncertain context,” Justice Department officials Benjamin C Mizer and Anthony J Coppolino told the court on 28 May.

“Judgments concerning such potential threats to aviation and national security call upon the unique prerogatives of the Executive in assessing such threats.”

It is believed to be the government’s most direct acknowledgement to date that people are not allowed to fly because of what the government believes they might do and not what they have already done.

The don’t like the “pre-crime” idea, but since the anti-gun types believe that all that is stopping an otherwise law-abiding gun owner from killing someone is a couple of unpleasant experiences, they still believe that the list is a good thing to use to deny people their civil rights.